YeshivaThe torah world Gateway
Beit Midrash
- Sections
- Chemdat Yamim
- Bemare Habazak - Rabbis Questions
Answer: Indeed, the Shulchan Aruch (OC 124:7) quotes and rules like the Orchot Chayim, who disparages those who speak idle matters during chazarat hashatz. Furthermore, it is one of the few times that the Shulchan Aruch directs observers of a wrongdoing to scold the perpetrator. So, at first glance, you could not be more right.
Bemare Habazak - Rabbis Questions (652)
Rabbi Daniel Mann
627 - Ask the Rabbi: Must One Give his Apartment for Free?
628 - Ask the Rabbi: Rebuking Those Talking during Davening
629 - Ask the Rabbi: Omitting Tachanun in Selichot in the Presence of Simcha
Load More
Classic tochacha (rebuke) is done to change the actions of one who sinned knowingly. Although the mitzva exists nowadays, most follow the approach that one should not rebuke when it is not expected to be heeded, and, to the contrary, cause a negative reaction (see Yevamot 65a; see Amud Hay’mini, siman 10; regarding feared severe reactions, see Minchat Shlomo I:35). In most of today’s Orthodox shuls, where people basically understand that they should not be talking, there is little concern of causing hatred of religion. However, as you witnessed, rebuke still causes friction, which should be avoided when it provides no gain.
There is less chance that tochacha will be successful when many people are in the wrong together. Psychologically, they may feel that if talking was a REAL problem, not so many good people would be doing it. Also, the rebuker becomes a "public enemy," i.e., easier to dismiss and criticize. Indeed, we find in several poskim resignation about the ability to "take on" those who talk during chazarat hashatz (Aruch Hashulchan ibid.; Shevet Halevi X:13).
It is not always a question of if to correct someone but when, how, and by whom it should be done. Consider the following application (see Rashi, Devarim 1:3) regarding timing. Yaakov, Moshe, Yehoshua, and Shmuel all waited until close to their deaths to rebuke their constituencies, out of concern that earlier rebuke might have caused them to change allegiances in favor of a path of evil. The same is true regarding who should be rebuking and how. The community leaders, especially the rabbi, are the ones who should be in charge of decisions and efforts.
Therefore, we recommend discussing the matter again with the shul’s rabbi, who should have his finger on the pulse more than anyone else. His not taking a strong stand in the past certainly does not mean that he does not care. He is likely to request that you not make waves at all. He may give you some guidelines on how, when, and to whom to express your dissatisfaction with the talking. While it is sad to have to curb your correct emotions, this too is part of serving Hashem.
Army and War "If Haredim Should Serve in the IDF, So Should You"
IDF Service for Young Jewish Men from America
Rabbis in Midrash
Lessons
fast navigation
The Land of Israel LGBT'S IN ISRAEL
The question was asked, how can one make Aliyah with the LGBT parades?
Kuzari -Rabbi Ari Shvat Kuzari class 7 - Five Accumulative Proofs of G-d
As a preparation for the Kuzari's classic proof of G-d from the mass-revelation at Sinai, we start here with 5 other directions to strengthen our belief which also contribute to what the Kuzari will present as well.
Ein Aya Muscle & Meaning: The Dual Nature of Gevurah (Physical Strength)
Is physical strength and fitness a necessity or an ideal? Although it if often totally overlooked among topics of Judaism, Rav Kook writes that it clearly is also a necessity to deter the many enemies of Israel, but even in Y'mot HaMashiach, in the Messianic era, to a certain extent, it's ideal continues even after our enemies will have been finished off.
Chukat "HOW ENTEBBE STOLE THE BICENTENNIAL
The Difference Between Historic & Eternal"
As we approach America's 250th birthday, it's worth remembering her 200th Bicentennial birthday, on Jul. 4th 1976, when Israel "stole the show" by shocking the world & miraculously saving 101 hostages in a foreign continent. As Pres. As Pres. Trump decides which countries get priority in his new Middle-East, it's worth reminding him of the difference between historic events and eternally historic ones. This obviously connects with this week's parsha, as well!
Kuzari -Rabbi Ari Shvat Kuzari class 6 - The Parable of the King of India
The advantages of testimony over circumstantial evidence or philosophical speculation.
Kuzari -Rabbi Ari Shvat Kuzari class 5- "Proofs of G-d"
This may be the most important class of the entire book, where we finally get to the Jewish proof of the existence of G-d and truth of the Torah. We should follow His own direction where He tells us how to get to Him: through the Nation of Israel: Jewish history, Jewish prophets (and today, prophecies fulfilled), and national reward & punishment towards Am Yisrael.
Ein Aya One Humanity, One Creator, One Jerusalem
Rav Kook innovatively and beautifully explains this aggadeta where our sages say that after Jerusalem was destroyed her cinnamon fragrance is only found locked in a particular kingdom's treasury.
