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Question: If someone forgot to find a good place for his four minim before Sukkot, which starts this year on Shabbat, can he move them on Shabbat? Answer: Since it is forbidden to do the mitzva of the four minim on Shabbat (Sukka 42b), the lulav is purposeless and muktzeh (Rama, Orach Chayim 658:2). The Rama calls it “like wood.” In other words, unlike a shofar, which is a kli shemelachto l’issur (Rama, OC 588:5), which can be moved if it is getting in the way, a lulav (and aravot) has no usage other than a mitzva that does not exist on Shabbat. As muktzeh machmat gufo, it cannot be moved to use it or to get it out of the way. (The Taz 658:3 is a minority opinion that a lulav too is a kli shemelachto l’issur.) However, the Rama (OC 658:2) rules that an etrog is not muktzeh on Shabbat because it can be used for smell. The gemara (Sukka 37b) interestingly asserts that although objects used for mitzva become forbidden to use for other things, only the main non-mitzva usage is forbidden. For hadasim, muktzeh l’mitzvato forbids smell; for etrog, it forbids eating, but smell remains permitted. The usage for smell keeps an etrog non-muktzeh. (See Magen Avraham 268:1 for explanations of how we avoid the problem that we generally should not make a beracha on smelling an etrog on Sukkot.) In contemporary times, several poskim view the Rama’s leniency as functionally inapplicable. Shemirat Shabbat K’hilchata (22:(55)) cites Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, and Dirshu (658:5) cites Rav Elyashiv, as holding that modern owners are uniquely meticulous with their etrogim. Consequently, the etrog becomes muktzeh machamat chisaron kis—a severe type of muktzeh. The Aruch HaShulchan (OC 308:17) already implies a similar viewpoint. This presents a conceptual difficulty: while this assessment seems to accurately reflect contemporary reality, it is hard to assume that historical etrogim, which were far scarcer and relatively more valuable, were handled less sparingly. Rather than dismissing the applicability of earlier precedent based on modern assumptions, some suggest deferring to the Rama's lenient assessment of the etrog’s status (see Be’er Moshe 8:73). On the other hand, it is somewhat difficult for poskim to defer to a lenient assumption which they do not see as accurate in their own times. It is actually not fully clear to what extent Shabbat changes the overall muktzeh status of the four minim. The Yerushalmi (Sukka 3:11) says that even on a regular Yom Tov, once one has finished doing the mitzva and has put down the lulav, he can no longer pick it up. Many poskim, including the Rama (Darchei Moshe, OC 652:1), assume we do not follow the Yerushalmi, based on the concept of “there is no muktzeh for half of Shabbat” (Beitza 26b) or the fact that if one wanted to, there may be value in extra holding of the four minim (see discussion in Mishneh Halachot VIII:242 about the minhag in Yerushalayim of carrying the lulav around throughout the day (Sukka 41b)). One way or the other, halacha l’ma’aseh we assume that only on Shabbat are they muktzeh. (The fascinating discussion – see Teshuvot V’hanhagot V:212 – about why it would not be a problem to move the lulav before daybreak (the beginning of the mitzva) is beyond our scope.) In most ways, there is not a difference in this regard whether the first day is on Shabbat or any other day. However, it is possible that being on the first day could make the matter more lenient. At least part of the muktzeh problem stems from the fact that the minim are set aside for the mitzva and the mitzva does not exist on Shabbat. However, until the mitzva has been carried out once, the mitzva preparations are called “hazmana” and are not halachically impactful (see Rama, OC 638:1). Although lulav and aravot are anyway not unusable, since hadasim can be used for smell, they are very possibly not muktzeh on Shabbat this year (Shoneh Halachot 568:3).
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