- Sections
- P'ninat Mishpat
Inferences from Records of Past Testimony
(based on Shoel U’Meishiv I:III:38)
[The current dispute between Reuven and Shimon started when Shimon opposed granting Reuven permission to open up a doorway from Reuven’s house to the empty area in between their two houses. Shimon said that years earlier there was a din Torah over whether Reuven could open two windows to that space, and it was ruled that he could open the windows but nothing else. It is not clear whether he had to pay money for that right, as the court papers regarding that adjudication were lost. Reuven found old court papers from 33 years previously regarding a din Torah about this space between Reuven’s and Shimon’s fathers. There it is stated that they came to a compromise that Reuven’s father would be allowed to use 6 amot of the area to unload his carriages in that place. The claim is that this implies that Reuven’s father was the owner of that space, especially because it did not say that the area was jointly owned but seemed to refer to it as Reuven’s father’s.]
We have precedent in the Torah for jointly owned land being referred to as if it is the property of one of the owners. Specifically, the area where the Beit Hamikdash is situated is described as being in the boundaries of the Tribe of Binyamin even though Yehuda possessed half the area. However, it is not the writing style of the Torah that is pertinent in this case but the terminology used by contemporary people, as it is they who wrote the document. In fact, Tosafot (Temura 17b) says that one should be more exhaustive in inferring things from the language of a document than from the language of a mishna, as the latter sometimes writes things that are extra and not to be inferred from.
The rabbi who asked the question wants to learn from the idea that a witness signed on a document is considered to be testifying only about the subject of the document and not about side facts (Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat 49). This should be even more correct concerning those who recorded a compromise between the parties on the practical matters of borders and provisions. The querying rabbi claimed that the issue of whether the side issues of the testimony are considered as the words of the witness depends on the halacha that in principle written testimony should not be valid at all. In other words, there was a special dispensation to count the testimony regarding monetary matters but this was limited to the main topic. The Ritva actually says that even if they intend to testify on everything, we do not accept the testimony broadly. [The Shoel U’Meishiv softly chided the querying rabbi who clearly saw the discussion of the relevant sources in the Knesset Hagedola yet did not acknowledge that this was his source of material – he also did not cite it fully accurately.]
In any case, the halacha is indeed that one cannot make inferences from the descriptions of the compromise makers in matters that were out of their main topic. Therefore, the decision of the present beit din to treat the area as joint is correct.
[The current dispute between Reuven and Shimon started when Shimon opposed granting Reuven permission to open up a doorway from Reuven’s house to the empty area in between their two houses. Shimon said that years earlier there was a din Torah over whether Reuven could open two windows to that space, and it was ruled that he could open the windows but nothing else. It is not clear whether he had to pay money for that right, as the court papers regarding that adjudication were lost. Reuven found old court papers from 33 years previously regarding a din Torah about this space between Reuven’s and Shimon’s fathers. There it is stated that they came to a compromise that Reuven’s father would be allowed to use 6 amot of the area to unload his carriages in that place. The claim is that this implies that Reuven’s father was the owner of that space, especially because it did not say that the area was jointly owned but seemed to refer to it as Reuven’s father’s.]
We have precedent in the Torah for jointly owned land being referred to as if it is the property of one of the owners. Specifically, the area where the Beit Hamikdash is situated is described as being in the boundaries of the Tribe of Binyamin even though Yehuda possessed half the area. However, it is not the writing style of the Torah that is pertinent in this case but the terminology used by contemporary people, as it is they who wrote the document. In fact, Tosafot (Temura 17b) says that one should be more exhaustive in inferring things from the language of a document than from the language of a mishna, as the latter sometimes writes things that are extra and not to be inferred from.
The rabbi who asked the question wants to learn from the idea that a witness signed on a document is considered to be testifying only about the subject of the document and not about side facts (Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat 49). This should be even more correct concerning those who recorded a compromise between the parties on the practical matters of borders and provisions. The querying rabbi claimed that the issue of whether the side issues of the testimony are considered as the words of the witness depends on the halacha that in principle written testimony should not be valid at all. In other words, there was a special dispensation to count the testimony regarding monetary matters but this was limited to the main topic. The Ritva actually says that even if they intend to testify on everything, we do not accept the testimony broadly. [The Shoel U’Meishiv softly chided the querying rabbi who clearly saw the discussion of the relevant sources in the Knesset Hagedola yet did not acknowledge that this was his source of material – he also did not cite it fully accurately.]
In any case, the halacha is indeed that one cannot make inferences from the descriptions of the compromise makers in matters that were out of their main topic. Therefore, the decision of the present beit din to treat the area as joint is correct.

P'ninat Mishpat (702)
Various Rabbis
311 - Bank Notes Lost by Paid Messenger
312 - Inferences from Records of Past Testimony
313 - Relinquishing Rights to a Partnership
Load More

Consequences of Refusing Visitation Rights
Various Rabbis | 5770

The Binding Nature of the Tentative Agreement – part II
Based on ruling 82108 of the Eretz Hemdah-Gazit Rabbinical Courts
Beit Din Eretz Hemda - Gazit | Av 5783

How Much Pay for the Fired Lawyer?
part II
Beit Din Eretz Hemda - Gazit | 25 Elul 5783

Did the Renovations Cause Damages?
(Based on ruling 82101 of the Eretz Hemdah-Gazit Rabbinical Courts)
Beit Din Eretz Hemda - Gazit | Tammuz 5783

Various Rabbis
Various Rabbis including those of of Yeshivat Bet El, such as Rabbi Chaim Katz, Rabbi Binyamin Bamberger and Rabbi Yitzchak Greenblat and others.

Can a Tzaddik Deteriorate?
5770

Connection to the Present and the Past
Iyar 21 5775

Following the Majority When the Minority Is More Knowledgeable
5771

Buying Looted Seforim from the Slovakians
Iyar 21 5775

Laws of the Etrog
How to choose an Etrog
Rabbi Ido Yaakovi

Prayer During the Ten Days of Repentance
Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu Zt"l | תשס"ד

Prayer During the Ten Days of Repentance
Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu Zt"l | תשס"ד

White and Nice Clothes and Gold on Yom Kippur
Rabbi Daniel Mann | Tishrei 4 5780
The Yom Kippur Avoda
Rabbi Eliezer Melamed | 5 Tishrei 5784
