YeshivaThe torah world Gateway Beit Midrash
Beit Midrash
- Sections
- Chemdat Yamim
- Bemare Habazak - Rabbis Questions
- Jewish Laws and Thoughts
- Prayer
- Mentioning Rain
Answer:The saying of vtum was instituted by the Rabbis according to the needs for rain of their time’s major Jewish communities. The whole Diaspora follows Bavel’s needs, which comes out on Dec. 4th or 5th. The Rosh (Shut 4:10) felt that regions that require rain at other times should be able to add vtum as appropriate. The Shulchan Aruch (Orach Chayim 117:2 – see Beit Yosef ad loc.) agrees in principle, but not in practice because of minhag. Therefore, someone from a place that needs rain earlier should not ask for rain, but if he does, it is unclear if he must repeat Shemoneh Esrei (see Shulchan Aruch and Rama ibid.). Probably, your home abroad can use rain all year long, in which case saying it is not so bad.
The Mishna Berura (117:5) cites two opinions on the questions of a ben Eretz Yisrael visiting abroad and a ben chutz la’aretz visiting Israel asking for rain in the interim period. In broad terms, the Birkei Yosef (OC 117:5) says that one follows the practice of the place he is at; the Pri Chadash (OC 117:2) says that one who is returning that year should follow his home. Regarding an Israeli abroad at this time, we wrote (Living the Halachic Process, II, A-11; see sources there) that it is, in most cases, safest to ask for rain in Shomeiah Tefilla (cited in the name of Rav Auerbach and Rav Elyashiv and recommended in Yalkut Yosef). The fundamentally stronger position is to start reciting abroad based on his needs during the year.
Bemare Habazak - Rabbis Questions (656)
Rabbi Daniel Mann
477 - Tevila of Something that Turns into a “Meal Utensil”
478 - V’ten Tal U’matar for those Returning Abroad in the Fall
479 - Taking Medicine to Facilitate Mitzvot
Load More
However, some point out that the Pri Chadash mentioned only an Israeli abroad, and perhaps the Pri Chadash could endorse you starting on 7 Cheshvan. B’tzel Hachochma (I:62) argues that visitors can also benefit from early-season rain, as expectations for a future good crop can lower prices now. The Birkei Yosef (ibid.), in explaining why a ben chutz la’aretz in Eretz Yisrael should start early, argues there are short-term water needs besides crops. (It is questionable whether this applies nowadays, when there are rarely immediate water shortages affected by November rain.) Furthermore, argues B’tzel Hachochma, if the rainy season in Israel is even a few weeks late, special prayers and fasts can be called; since visitors should take part, vtum is appropriate. According to this approach, a variety of combination of needs and connection to Israeli rain make it appropriate to pray for it – a ben Eretz Yisrael abroad, due to later benefit; or a ben chutz la’aretz presently in Israel, based on minor present benefit. One can suggest that you are a little more fit to say vtum than the average visitor since your status quo in regards to rain is like that of a ben Eretz Yisrael¸ based on last year, until you leave. The counter-claim is that this status lapses over the summer.
On the other hand, Be’er Moshe (VII, p. 196-202) argues against someone like you starting, based on the following factor. The Birkei Yosef (ibid. 6), who usually goes by where one is, says that an Israeli who started asking for rain before his trip should continue because stopping looks ridiculous. Here, since the consensus is that once you leave, you, as a ben chutz la’aretz in chutz la’aretz, should not recite until Dec. 4. Therefore, you should not have started based on weak need only to distastefully stop. On the other hand, once you did start, with some logic, you should continue.
In short, we would have suggested for you to start saying vtum in Shomeiah Tefilla, which is safe according to all approaches (as then you ask, but informally). What you did was reasonable, and you can continue until you leave.
Lessons
fast navigation

The Month of Elul TESHUVA IS THE ANSWER
The month of Elul serves as a vital time for self-reflection and personal accountability to prepare for true repentance.

P'ninat Mishpat P'ninat Mishpat: Realtor’s Fee on Large Commercial Building – part I
(based on ruling 85031 of the Eretz Hemdah-Gazit Rabbinical Courts)
(based on ruling 85031 of the Eretz Hemdah-Gazit Rabbinical Courts)

Chemdat Yamim Moreshet Shaul: The Goal of an Agricultural Yeshiva – part I
Based on Siach Shaul, Pirkei Machshava V’Hadracha p. 263 (address at the laying of the cornerstone of the Yeshiva Chakla’it in Kfar Haroeh)
Based on Siach Shaul, Pirkei Machshava V’Hadracha p. 263 (address at the laying of the cornerstone of the Yeshiva Chakla’it in Kfar Haroeh)

Re'e NEVER EXTREME EXCEPT ISRAEL
Parshat Re'eh
Judaism is against extremism, so how can we understand the seemingly extreme statements found in our sages in favor of living in the Land of Israel and against living in Chutz laAretz? The article deals with the seeming contradiction between the strength of Free-Will and the strength of being influenced by our surroundings.

Ekev DANCE FOR ISRAEL- FOR YOUR BENEFIT
Parshat Eikev
Description: The 7 Haftarot we read after Tisha B'Av ("Shiva D'Nichemta") surely get us excited that they're coming TRUE, and awaken us to yearn, dance & join the return to Zion! The short article also deals with the problems and solutions facing the American Jewish community as discussed at a recent panel, as well as the question why Jews come from America to Israel to help when we face problems, but Israelis don't come to aid Jews in America when they face anti-Semitism.

P'ninat Mishpat P'ninat Mishpat: Complaints about Contractor’s Work – part II
(based on ruling 83037.1 of the Eretz Hemdah-Gazit Rabbinical Courts)
(based on ruling 83037.1 of the Eretz Hemdah-Gazit Rabbinical Courts)

Chemdat Yamim Moreshet Shaul: Twin Foundations
Based on Siach Shaul, Pirkei Machshava V’Hadracha p. 690
Based on Siach Shaul, Pirkei Machshava V’Hadracha p. 690

D'varim Judaism’s Social Vision
Re’eh
Giving is more than an act of generosity—it is an essential part of human dignity that belongs to everyone, rich and poor alike. The ultimate goal of help is to empower others to stand on their own.








