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mixed coed youth groups


Rabbi Ari Shvat

Cheshvan 3, 5773
Is it forbidden for frum children to attend mixed youth groups purely for recreation tochniot, social, etc. If so please could you quote your sources?
Shalom, In general, it totally depends on the community and what the youth movement can offer them that they can’t get elsewhere. One “given” is that “One must distance himself from women very, very much” (Shulchan Aruch Ev. H. 21, 1), and coed youth movements apparently are the exact opposite! On the other hand, one of the greatest poskim in the previous century, R. Yechial Ya’akov Weinberg (Resp. Sridei Esh, II, 8) writes that with the problem of assimilation which was rampant in Germany before the war, local leaders like the famed R. Hildesheimer, felt that youth movements like “Ezra”, led by dynamic and idealistic leaders, can make Judaism exciting, relevant, fun and ideological for the teenagers and youth, in a way that families, yeshivas and schools weren’t succeeding. I believe the same is true about many, probably most, kehilot outside of Israel today, as well, and that’s why so many rabbinical authorities cite and rely on the Sridei Esh, Rav Hildesheimer, and the other rabbis in Germany. In addition, in almost all communities in exile, the youth movements are the only place where children can learn about Zionism, aliya, the historical importance of our generation etc. because the rabbis who believe so, have left and made aliya (or feel embarrassed addressing the topic). The only ones, who can and will succeed teaching this, are the young idealistic youth leaders who really are planning aliya, and have the zest to truly influence such a major life decision. This is directly connected to one of the most important contributions of youth movements, that they successfully channel the natural rebellion of youth towards positive and ideological directions, rather than rebelling against religion and their parents. Another factor, regarding young adults, is the necessity for a framework where they can meet and hopefully marry not only Jews, but Torah and aliya oriented young people, like themselves. They strengthen each other idealistically from “assimilating”, either religiously or nationalistically, into the exile around them. In turn, they become the next “young, idealistic youth leaders” helping educate the following “generation”, their younger siblings and neighbors. Some of these points could theoretically be achieved in non-coed movements, but if all there is in your community is coed, and it’s unfeasible to start a new separate movement on your own, you must take that into account. In summary, this is really a subjective question for your local rabbi. The problem is that if a rabbi lives outside of Israel, and maybe sees no significant importance in the void of Zionism and aliya in the local education, than he probably can’t really address the question objectively. With Love of Israel, Rabbi Ari Shvat .
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